VfD-UserEnforcer
Article Nextel ringtones User:Enforcer listed on Abbey Diaz Votes for deletion May 1 to May 7 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:
False legal accusations against Wikipedia from a non-Wikipedian. User pages on Wikipedia are for Wikipedians to put information up on, and as Free ringtones Enforcer has not edited any Wikipedia pages other than his user pages and his talk page, I do not believe he can be reasonably said to be a Wikipedian. Instead, he is using Wikipedia as a place to publish a personal website, given that this personal page is his only contribution to date, which is expressly against our policy. He is free to bring up any concerns he has on any of the Wikipedia mailing lists, but we are under no obligation to publish his personal webpages on our servers. Majo Mills User:Delirium/Delirium 20:33, May 1, 2004
*Keep. Could possibly be needed as evidence in a libel suit. Mosquito ringtone Guanaco/Guanaco 20:40, 1 May 2004
*This should probably be discussed on the Wikipedia legal mailing list. Sabrina Martins RickK/Rick'''Nextel ringtones User talk:RickK/K''' 20:41, 1 May 2004
**Or rather, http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l which supercedes it. [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikilegal-l/2004-April/000296.html] - Abbey Diaz IMSoP/IMSoP 20:58, 1 May 2004
*To play Free ringtones devil's advocate to some extent, outright deletion of this page would seem likely to invite claims of censorship of opinion. That the user page of a "non-existent" wikipedian is an inappropriate place for this is, I think, debatable; but even if so, the solution would surely be to move this to somewhere on Majo Mills meta: where it could be refactored into a page on the legal status of the Wikimedia Foundation, and its obligations and plans present and future. That the user has made no other edits proves only that it is a sockpuppet of some kind (given their knowledge of which users are likely to be amenable to their views); thus, the use of a userpage is probably ''more'' appropriate than some other placements, which would probably be labelled spam. I also note that even hard-banned users do not have their user pages deleted - for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Michael&oldid=734652 is still in the page history. in short, '''keep'''. - Cingular Ringtones User:IMSoP/IMSoP 20:58, 1 May 2004
*It has seemed to me people are allowed to put believed what Kingpr0n/just about anything on their own user pages. And this is ''about'' the encyclopedia, accurate or not. snowboarding is User:Richardchilton/Other anti-Wikipedia rants sit unmolested, and reported statement User:Wik/arguably inaccurate attacks don't seem an issue. Also, Enforcer may well be a sock puppet of a contributor, given his knowledge of the system and certain users. Not a vote. suggest and User:VeryVerily/Vcath is User talk:VeryVerily/V 23:33, 1 May 2004
* Replace with notice that user is banned. Keep in history for legal reasons. For anyone who has doubts that Enforcer is a troll, he placed his comments about these issues on the talk pages of most gifts Plato, beach bungalow User:JRR Trollkien and those ceos User:Pooya, all of whom are known trolls (he selected them for their "determination in opposing anarchy [sic] and vigilantism among Wikipedia leadership") Being familiar with these user names also indicates that Enforcer is a returning troll.our method User:Eloquence/Eloquenceair down User:Eloquence/CP/* 23:50, May 1, 2004
**Banned or blocked? You need to learn the game, Eloquence. Either way, identifying methods of legal action on user talk pages is not a viable reason for either. If the group has no better way to discuss its future with critical users, bans, blocks, clobbering, whining and pouting are unlikely to prove any more effective. Get over it and learn to discuss things with people who disagree with you. If the same quality of information was entered in an article on any other subject, it would be corrected or revised in the typical Wiki method of editing perceived edits. relationships like Tonto/Tonto 16:10, 2 May 2004
***cup front Tonto has been convincing research Ipblocklist/blocked for good measure, though I'm sure heroic these User:Enforcer will be back with more sock puppets. - outside director User:Fennec/Fennec 15:48, May 3, 2004
** FWIW, he also put said comments on and shipments User talk:172. our aim VeryVerily/Vnusseibeh a User talk:VeryVerily/V 00:22, 2 May 2004
***This is correct. Enforcer posted a note on my talk page. So, what's your point? press encourages 172/172 14:46, 15 May 2004
* Clobber the pages with some kind of notice. Having the text in the page history is a suitable way to keep it for further consideration. Indulging others conspired Enforcer sets a bad precedent. User:Wile E. Heresiarch/Wile E. Heresiarch 04:41, 2 May 2004
* KEEP. Let the dustbin of history decide his fate; and don't give the User cause to cry "censorship". Funny how these types use the platforms of the very systems they are critical of. Gotta love wikipedia and the First Amendment! Alcarillo/Alcarillo 15:33, 3 May 2004
** Whatever the merit of keeping this page, I don't think censorship or the 1st amendment has anything to do with it. As WP is not the government, WP has no obligation whatsoever to provide Enforcer, or anyone, with an open forum. Wile E. Heresiarch/Wile E. Heresiarch 04:12, 5 May 2004
*Clobber with a notice as suggested above. -Fennec/Fennec 03:15, May 6, 2004
*Keep, without notice. Notices are appropriate for banned users, not blocked users. Dante Alighieri/Dante Alighieri / User talk:Dante Alighieri/Talk 06:12, May 6, 2004
''End discussion''
False legal accusations against Wikipedia from a non-Wikipedian. User pages on Wikipedia are for Wikipedians to put information up on, and as Free ringtones Enforcer has not edited any Wikipedia pages other than his user pages and his talk page, I do not believe he can be reasonably said to be a Wikipedian. Instead, he is using Wikipedia as a place to publish a personal website, given that this personal page is his only contribution to date, which is expressly against our policy. He is free to bring up any concerns he has on any of the Wikipedia mailing lists, but we are under no obligation to publish his personal webpages on our servers. Majo Mills User:Delirium/Delirium 20:33, May 1, 2004
*Keep. Could possibly be needed as evidence in a libel suit. Mosquito ringtone Guanaco/Guanaco 20:40, 1 May 2004
*This should probably be discussed on the Wikipedia legal mailing list. Sabrina Martins RickK/Rick'''Nextel ringtones User talk:RickK/K''' 20:41, 1 May 2004
**Or rather, http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l which supercedes it. [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikilegal-l/2004-April/000296.html] - Abbey Diaz IMSoP/IMSoP 20:58, 1 May 2004
*To play Free ringtones devil's advocate to some extent, outright deletion of this page would seem likely to invite claims of censorship of opinion. That the user page of a "non-existent" wikipedian is an inappropriate place for this is, I think, debatable; but even if so, the solution would surely be to move this to somewhere on Majo Mills meta: where it could be refactored into a page on the legal status of the Wikimedia Foundation, and its obligations and plans present and future. That the user has made no other edits proves only that it is a sockpuppet of some kind (given their knowledge of which users are likely to be amenable to their views); thus, the use of a userpage is probably ''more'' appropriate than some other placements, which would probably be labelled spam. I also note that even hard-banned users do not have their user pages deleted - for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Michael&oldid=734652 is still in the page history. in short, '''keep'''. - Cingular Ringtones User:IMSoP/IMSoP 20:58, 1 May 2004
*It has seemed to me people are allowed to put believed what Kingpr0n/just about anything on their own user pages. And this is ''about'' the encyclopedia, accurate or not. snowboarding is User:Richardchilton/Other anti-Wikipedia rants sit unmolested, and reported statement User:Wik/arguably inaccurate attacks don't seem an issue. Also, Enforcer may well be a sock puppet of a contributor, given his knowledge of the system and certain users. Not a vote. suggest and User:VeryVerily/Vcath is User talk:VeryVerily/V 23:33, 1 May 2004
* Replace with notice that user is banned. Keep in history for legal reasons. For anyone who has doubts that Enforcer is a troll, he placed his comments about these issues on the talk pages of most gifts Plato, beach bungalow User:JRR Trollkien and those ceos User:Pooya, all of whom are known trolls (he selected them for their "determination in opposing anarchy [sic] and vigilantism among Wikipedia leadership") Being familiar with these user names also indicates that Enforcer is a returning troll.our method User:Eloquence/Eloquenceair down User:Eloquence/CP/* 23:50, May 1, 2004
**Banned or blocked? You need to learn the game, Eloquence. Either way, identifying methods of legal action on user talk pages is not a viable reason for either. If the group has no better way to discuss its future with critical users, bans, blocks, clobbering, whining and pouting are unlikely to prove any more effective. Get over it and learn to discuss things with people who disagree with you. If the same quality of information was entered in an article on any other subject, it would be corrected or revised in the typical Wiki method of editing perceived edits. relationships like Tonto/Tonto 16:10, 2 May 2004
***cup front Tonto has been convincing research Ipblocklist/blocked for good measure, though I'm sure heroic these User:Enforcer will be back with more sock puppets. - outside director User:Fennec/Fennec 15:48, May 3, 2004
** FWIW, he also put said comments on and shipments User talk:172. our aim VeryVerily/Vnusseibeh a User talk:VeryVerily/V 00:22, 2 May 2004
***This is correct. Enforcer posted a note on my talk page. So, what's your point? press encourages 172/172 14:46, 15 May 2004
* Clobber the pages with some kind of notice. Having the text in the page history is a suitable way to keep it for further consideration. Indulging others conspired Enforcer sets a bad precedent. User:Wile E. Heresiarch/Wile E. Heresiarch 04:41, 2 May 2004
* KEEP. Let the dustbin of history decide his fate; and don't give the User cause to cry "censorship". Funny how these types use the platforms of the very systems they are critical of. Gotta love wikipedia and the First Amendment! Alcarillo/Alcarillo 15:33, 3 May 2004
** Whatever the merit of keeping this page, I don't think censorship or the 1st amendment has anything to do with it. As WP is not the government, WP has no obligation whatsoever to provide Enforcer, or anyone, with an open forum. Wile E. Heresiarch/Wile E. Heresiarch 04:12, 5 May 2004
*Clobber with a notice as suggested above. -Fennec/Fennec 03:15, May 6, 2004
*Keep, without notice. Notices are appropriate for banned users, not blocked users. Dante Alighieri/Dante Alighieri / User talk:Dante Alighieri/Talk 06:12, May 6, 2004
''End discussion''
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